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		<title>By: Just a U.S. Citizen</title>
		<link>http://thenewnixon.org/2009/06/24/historians-and-partisans/comment-page-1/#comment-91119</link>
		<dc:creator>Just a U.S. Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only do events in the past need to be considered in context (something good historians do), their consideration needs to include an understanding of what is required once a President takes office.  And what makes it difficult to fulfill those requirements.  Historical analysis requires juggling multiple elements and application of a high degree of contextual sophistication.

Presidents don&#039;t get to pick and choose which challenges they will handle, they&#039;re all there, on their plates, from the moment they take office.  That means, obviously, that the conditions and some of the existing problems  arose while their predecessors were in office.   Nixon had to deal with Vietnam; George W. Bush had to deal with terrorism; Obama has to deal with fiscal, financial and economic issues.  All three did or are doing what Presidents do, they picked up the hands dealt them and soldiered on.

It&#039;s easy for bystanders to second guess or carp or even bay or howl,  retrospectively or prospectively.  But the man in office and his advisors keep trying.    They may know the odds are against success or that they hold a losing hand.  But it&#039;s not as if they can go on TV and tell the public, &quot;dude, it&#039;s too hard, we&#039;re folding on this issue and picking up something that is easier or more fun.&quot;  No matter the odds, with the toughest issues, Presidents struggle on, trying one approach or another.  And they do so while dealing with psychic dissonance created by the differences between the political and the governmental worlds.  The same conditions apply whether they are Republicans or Democrats.

The public plays a part in how candid Presidents can be in addressing them.  Of course, there also are considerable strategic and tactical limitations on Presidential candor, especially when the issues involve foreign relations, national security and defense, or military actions.  The  public and even the weaker pundits or bloggers may not always recognize that but historians should.  

Very often, the public rewards a reductionist approach.   The political process can be crippling and demeaning, even unmanning.   Let&#039;s face it, many elements in the process of winning elections have a juvenile, high school pep rally quality to them.  Most people would be humilated to have to go through what candidates do to attain jobs in their professions.  But becoming  President places one squarely into a very, very adult world, one in which many outside observers seem afraid to set even a toe.  Instead, they stay stuck in the high school gym, yelling chants. from a much safer  distance.  

The President has moved beyond that, even if he had to go through the motions of leading the chants in the gym to get where he wanted to be.  Consider LBJ in 1965, struggling with feeling trapped by his choices in Vietnam:  &quot;I can&#039;t get out and I can&#039;t finish it with what I have got. And I don&#039;t know what the hell to do.&quot;  In public, of course, LBJ thundered away at how essential it was for the U.S. to prevail in Vietnam.  It&#039;s what Presidents often seem to believe that the people sitting in the bleachers expect of their public utterances.  Some Presidents strive to move beyond that, however, although it isn&#039;t always rewarded.  There are political risks that affect the process, obviously.

But what about historians?  When it comes to studying Presidents, historians do best if they leave the high school gym behind and consider what Gen. Anthony Zinni once said:  &quot;At high levels of seniority, decisions become less clear, and the decision-maker is often forced to choose between the lesser of two evils or two goods. Because there are degrees of good and bad inherent in all decisions, a consistent ethical code is critical.&quot;   Absent recognition of the psychic dissonance that Presidents have to confront as they make decisions, and what elements are involved in the very adult world they inhabit, they&#039;re not going to get the whole story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only do events in the past need to be considered in context (something good historians do), their consideration needs to include an understanding of what is required once a President takes office.  And what makes it difficult to fulfill those requirements.  Historical analysis requires juggling multiple elements and application of a high degree of contextual sophistication.</p>
<p>Presidents don&#8217;t get to pick and choose which challenges they will handle, they&#8217;re all there, on their plates, from the moment they take office.  That means, obviously, that the conditions and some of the existing problems  arose while their predecessors were in office.   Nixon had to deal with Vietnam; George W. Bush had to deal with terrorism; Obama has to deal with fiscal, financial and economic issues.  All three did or are doing what Presidents do, they picked up the hands dealt them and soldiered on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for bystanders to second guess or carp or even bay or howl,  retrospectively or prospectively.  But the man in office and his advisors keep trying.    They may know the odds are against success or that they hold a losing hand.  But it&#8217;s not as if they can go on TV and tell the public, &#8220;dude, it&#8217;s too hard, we&#8217;re folding on this issue and picking up something that is easier or more fun.&#8221;  No matter the odds, with the toughest issues, Presidents struggle on, trying one approach or another.  And they do so while dealing with psychic dissonance created by the differences between the political and the governmental worlds.  The same conditions apply whether they are Republicans or Democrats.</p>
<p>The public plays a part in how candid Presidents can be in addressing them.  Of course, there also are considerable strategic and tactical limitations on Presidential candor, especially when the issues involve foreign relations, national security and defense, or military actions.  The  public and even the weaker pundits or bloggers may not always recognize that but historians should.  </p>
<p>Very often, the public rewards a reductionist approach.   The political process can be crippling and demeaning, even unmanning.   Let&#8217;s face it, many elements in the process of winning elections have a juvenile, high school pep rally quality to them.  Most people would be humilated to have to go through what candidates do to attain jobs in their professions.  But becoming  President places one squarely into a very, very adult world, one in which many outside observers seem afraid to set even a toe.  Instead, they stay stuck in the high school gym, yelling chants. from a much safer  distance.  </p>
<p>The President has moved beyond that, even if he had to go through the motions of leading the chants in the gym to get where he wanted to be.  Consider LBJ in 1965, struggling with feeling trapped by his choices in Vietnam:  &#8220;I can&#8217;t get out and I can&#8217;t finish it with what I have got. And I don&#8217;t know what the hell to do.&#8221;  In public, of course, LBJ thundered away at how essential it was for the U.S. to prevail in Vietnam.  It&#8217;s what Presidents often seem to believe that the people sitting in the bleachers expect of their public utterances.  Some Presidents strive to move beyond that, however, although it isn&#8217;t always rewarded.  There are political risks that affect the process, obviously.</p>
<p>But what about historians?  When it comes to studying Presidents, historians do best if they leave the high school gym behind and consider what Gen. Anthony Zinni once said:  &#8220;At high levels of seniority, decisions become less clear, and the decision-maker is often forced to choose between the lesser of two evils or two goods. Because there are degrees of good and bad inherent in all decisions, a consistent ethical code is critical.&#8221;   Absent recognition of the psychic dissonance that Presidents have to confront as they make decisions, and what elements are involved in the very adult world they inhabit, they&#8217;re not going to get the whole story.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Krzywicki</title>
		<link>http://thenewnixon.org/2009/06/24/historians-and-partisans/comment-page-1/#comment-91032</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Krzywicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All events in the past have to be seen in the context of the times that they happened.  In 1972/73 most Americans opposed the war in Vietnam and wanted the United States out of it.  A Democratic Congress planned to cut funding to the war in 1973.  The North Vietnamese had come back to the peace talks after the heavy boming inflicked by the Nixon adminstration.  ARVN forces had shown promise in battles.  The peace negotiated was not perfect and South Vietnam did balk but in 1973 you could surmise what would happen but no one could see into the future.  President Nixon believed he had done the best to bring an honorable peace to South Vietnam.  Circumstances led to the peace only lasting two years.  Nothing is certain in history and when listening conversations over thirty five years old as a historian and researcher you always need to remember the context.  Many scholars currently and in the future learn from these conversations and judge them fairly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All events in the past have to be seen in the context of the times that they happened.  In 1972/73 most Americans opposed the war in Vietnam and wanted the United States out of it.  A Democratic Congress planned to cut funding to the war in 1973.  The North Vietnamese had come back to the peace talks after the heavy boming inflicked by the Nixon adminstration.  ARVN forces had shown promise in battles.  The peace negotiated was not perfect and South Vietnam did balk but in 1973 you could surmise what would happen but no one could see into the future.  President Nixon believed he had done the best to bring an honorable peace to South Vietnam.  Circumstances led to the peace only lasting two years.  Nothing is certain in history and when listening conversations over thirty five years old as a historian and researcher you always need to remember the context.  Many scholars currently and in the future learn from these conversations and judge them fairly.</p>
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		<title>By: I.M. Trenchant</title>
		<link>http://thenewnixon.org/2009/06/24/historians-and-partisans/comment-page-1/#comment-90949</link>
		<dc:creator>I.M. Trenchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE your comment:

&quot;The notion that RN purposely prolonged the war for political gain and then faked a peace that he knew would fail is still held by many hardcore critics. But on the spectrum of Vietnam criticism it is unquestionably extreme.  And it has been challenged by more recent scholarship.&quot;

Would you kindly indicate where the &quot;more recent scholarship&quot; that you refer to reposes?  Are you perhaps referring to the research of Stephen J. Morris?  I have long awaited Morris&#039; projected 2-volume history about the Vietnam War but have been able to find little mention of it beyond 2005.

Hughes is besotted with a view that Nixon&#039;s motivations can be divined, by a form of thenatojournalism: evesdropping on Nixon&#039;s ghost&#039;s ad-hoc remarks on the White House tapes -- as if Nixon knew or presumed what U.S. intelligence did not know about North Vietnam&#039;s resolve (cf. Morris). 

Thanks for any elaborations you are prepared to offer w.r.t. &quot;more recent scholarship.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE your comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;The notion that RN purposely prolonged the war for political gain and then faked a peace that he knew would fail is still held by many hardcore critics. But on the spectrum of Vietnam criticism it is unquestionably extreme.  And it has been challenged by more recent scholarship.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you kindly indicate where the &#8220;more recent scholarship&#8221; that you refer to reposes?  Are you perhaps referring to the research of Stephen J. Morris?  I have long awaited Morris&#8217; projected 2-volume history about the Vietnam War but have been able to find little mention of it beyond 2005.</p>
<p>Hughes is besotted with a view that Nixon&#8217;s motivations can be divined, by a form of thenatojournalism: evesdropping on Nixon&#8217;s ghost&#8217;s ad-hoc remarks on the White House tapes &#8212; as if Nixon knew or presumed what U.S. intelligence did not know about North Vietnam&#8217;s resolve (cf. Morris). </p>
<p>Thanks for any elaborations you are prepared to offer w.r.t. &#8220;more recent scholarship.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Just a U.S. Citizen</title>
		<link>http://thenewnixon.org/2009/06/24/historians-and-partisans/comment-page-1/#comment-90809</link>
		<dc:creator>Just a U.S. Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historians are not all the same, they vary in how they handle areas where there is some ambiguity, such as the motivation of the subjects of their studies.  Some use more qualifiers and tread more lightly in such areas than others.  But there’s another issue here.  What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.  You missed your chance last week for a strong throughline on the place of speculation as to motive in narratives.  Bob Bostock wrote last week on this site that Nixon Presidential Library director “Tim Naftali is hiding behind the mantle of scholarship and balance to mask what appears to be his true intention: to use the Nixon Library to diminish Richard Nixon and thus raise his own standing in the academic community.”  How is that different from ascribing speculative motivation to RN, HAK, et al on Vietnam?

As to Ken Hughes, he showed up at the New York Times’s Caucus Blog to defend Naftali last week.   Defending former colleagues is commendable but one has to think tactically and strategically.  And consider delineating sharply what is appropriate in the private as opposed to the public sector.  I wouldn&#039;t take for granted that all members of the public can separate the two.  Naftali is an alum of the Miller Center but now is the federal supervisor for the staff that is screening Nixon’s tapes for public disclosure.  He cannot and should not interpret materials for the public.  His job is to release the evidence.  Having as his strongest defender a former colleague who speaks up on Nixon’s motives may cause some confusion out there, especially for those all too eager to criticize the National Archives.   I would hope that most people would avoid conflating the Miller Center’s approach with that required to fulfill the Archives’ mission.  But you never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historians are not all the same, they vary in how they handle areas where there is some ambiguity, such as the motivation of the subjects of their studies.  Some use more qualifiers and tread more lightly in such areas than others.  But there’s another issue here.  What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.  You missed your chance last week for a strong throughline on the place of speculation as to motive in narratives.  Bob Bostock wrote last week on this site that Nixon Presidential Library director “Tim Naftali is hiding behind the mantle of scholarship and balance to mask what appears to be his true intention: to use the Nixon Library to diminish Richard Nixon and thus raise his own standing in the academic community.”  How is that different from ascribing speculative motivation to RN, HAK, et al on Vietnam?</p>
<p>As to Ken Hughes, he showed up at the New York Times’s Caucus Blog to defend Naftali last week.   Defending former colleagues is commendable but one has to think tactically and strategically.  And consider delineating sharply what is appropriate in the private as opposed to the public sector.  I wouldn&#8217;t take for granted that all members of the public can separate the two.  Naftali is an alum of the Miller Center but now is the federal supervisor for the staff that is screening Nixon’s tapes for public disclosure.  He cannot and should not interpret materials for the public.  His job is to release the evidence.  Having as his strongest defender a former colleague who speaks up on Nixon’s motives may cause some confusion out there, especially for those all too eager to criticize the National Archives.   I would hope that most people would avoid conflating the Miller Center’s approach with that required to fulfill the Archives’ mission.  But you never know.</p>
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